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💬 How NotebookLM was created and where it’s going

A conversation with Steven Johnson, Editorial Director, NotebookLM & Google Labs

I invited my old friend

to share with us his insider perspective on creating NotebookLM — a product seen by some as Google’s ChatGPT moment. Its audio summaries feature which creates realistic-sounding conversations between two podcast hosts, in particular, created a bit of buzz. The time hosts ‘realised’ they were not human or spent ten minutes analysing a document that contained only the words ‘poop’ and ‘fart’ went viral.

But NotebookLM goes much further than that – it’s a tool for knowledge organisation, discovery and creation. The core idea behind it was to help users make sense of an overwhelming amount of information. In their launch post, Steven and his colleague Raiza Martin wrote:

We started to explore what we could build that would help people make connections faster in the midst of all this data, especially using sources they care most about.

NotebookLM grounds all conversations and queries in the sources you share with it. Here are some use cases I’ve come across and tried myself

  • Finding connections across 100s of papers I’m reading on a particular subject by ‘chatting’ with the sources

  • Explaining complex concepts and scientific papers with the audio summaries feature

  • Examining documents in a foreign language

  • Uploading your credit card statements and having AI comment on your spending habits

  • Uploading journal entries and using audio summaries for self-reflection

  • Using Notebook as a game master in Dungeons & Dragons

In this conversation, you’ll hear…

  • How Steven organises his intellectual world within NotebookLM

  • How NotebookLM could impact literature and knowledge work

  • NotebookLM as a platform for knowledge-sharing

  • Steven’s power tips for users

  • And… what’s up with the naming of genAI tools?

If you already use NotebookLM, tell us how you’re using it!

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