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al@pitt.edu's avatar

As so often occurs, Gianni has given us a clear view of a complex situation, and I generally agree with just about everything, in spite of being a 78-year-old who is toward the left of the political spectrum. The biggest challenge, in many ways, will be to tap the helpful parts of the "wisdom of age" while assuring that the young and others wanting to be inventive and entrepreneurial are not impeded. Us old folks, for example, might have been more useful to recent efforts to diversify higher education and might have helped avoid the actions that prompted a huge pushback from a young right wing. I also suspect that while most older scholar's writings ignore the present for the past, every now and then we manage to find guidance from the past that can help the present. Gianni's presentation certainly allows for that, if it is read carefully. The interesting question is whether it will be easier to train us old folks to be more helpful to the energetic young or whether it will more likely to be successful if we train intelligent systems to present relevant wisdom of the past to younger inventors while filtering out the self-centered bullshit that us old farts sometimes feel impelled to include.

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Aziz Lalljee's avatar

Deep and broad essay, raising crucial questions, both bravely and sensitively; thank you!

I wonder how the subjective experience of ever-nearer mortality might affect our collective psychology, and hence our collective behavior, on the margin...

On the one hand, take people with terminal diagnoses... after they make peace with their condition, they often scramble to find ultimate meaning and clarity; they "settle their affairs" often decisively and bravely; they take risks, learn new things, power through discomfort, "make a difference", all in the little time they have left... in so many ways, they are more alive, more productive, and more entrepreneurial when their anticipated future is suddenly and brutally compressed... (Kurosawa's "Ikiru" is magnificent exploration in film of this phenomenon).

At a population level, external shocks like wars and pandemics probably work in a similar way: these existential crises unleash great creativity and fearsome productivity, and can permanently change institutions and collective expectations...

In theory, older people - especially those with savings, few obligations, and their health largely intact - should be unfettered risk takers and adventurers. The oldest among us have the least to lose, and a short and shrinking period to lose it.

But this isn't how most older folk actually age, is it? Rather, older folks become ever more insular and staid, quieter and sadder, consume rather than produce, and avoid pain and seek comfort, let alone embrace change and risk...

So how do we get older folk to act more like those facing a terminal diagnosis or other existential crisis? I think your whole argument is flipped if more older folk ended their lives with a bang and not a whimper... So why is Tennyson's Ulysses just a feelgood poem, and not a social norm?

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