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Zahid Bashir's avatar

Thank you, Azeem and Rohit. This piece, and the Karpathy council it builds on, directly shaped a tool I built, so thank you. The finding that councils show groupthink turned out to be the most useful thing I have read about combining multiple models.

What I took from your approach was the diagnosis. Decomposing answers into atomic "idea cards," clustering them, and blind judging their quality made something measurable: peer review followed by blending keeps the consensus while quietly dropping minority ideas. It also showed that the naive "best answer" picker preserves more uniqueness than the blend does. That reframed the whole problem for me.

Here is where I tried to resolve some of the shortcomings.

First, an explicit preservation protocol, built in. Before any synthesis, I build an idea ledger with provenance and rank each idea on its own merit, never on how many models raised it, so that a brilliant idea from one model can outrank a mediocre consensus one. Minority ideas are flagged as essential to include.

Second, a red team that rescues rather than only critiques. One pass hunts for valuable ideas raised by only one model that a consensus summary would otherwise drop, and then argues to keep them. This is a direct counter to the hidden profile problem.

Third, the survival metric is the product itself, not an afterthought. Every run reports unique versus consensus idea survival for both the baseline, which follows Karpathy's design, and my preserving variant, using the same inputs. Therefore the groupthink gap is visible on every run rather than merely assumed.

Fourth, genuinely decorrelated models. I ran a mixed Western and Chinese panel, namely Opus 4.8, Gemma, Kimi, and DeepSeek via OpenRouter and Ollama (for free local models). On a prompt asking for unconventional ideas, the baseline blend deleted exactly the unconventional ones, such as blockchain incentives, contribution art avatars, and curiosity gap designs, and most of these had come from the models that were not Western. The preserving pipeline kept all of them. On that run, the gap fell from 55% to 0%.

One boundary is deliberate. Preserved does not mean endorsed. Several of the rescued ideas are precisely the ones that most need human judgment, given the coercion and undue influence risk in my regulated domain. Therefore the tool surfaces them flagged with guardrails rather than smoothing them into the recommendation. The council widens the option space; however, a human still adjudicates.

I am also mindful that this is still early work, and the underlying evidence is one informal experiment. It is directionally convincing and consistent with human group dynamics; however, it is a signal to design against rather than settled science. I am grateful for the prompt to do exactly that.

I am now going to build an advisory board council with personas that Gianni suggested. It was only list to do already ….

Sugendran Ganess's avatar

Neat experiment and the callout on asymmetric information is really interesting. Did you try a version where the job of the picker is to facilitate? That is, find those places of asymmetry and have them defend their view to the group before then getting the group view?

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