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Sami Paju's avatar

On another note, about Tesla’s FSD, I am skeptical that they can make it truly safe when it comes to the edge cases. Which you’d need to do, unless you accept and admit that accidents are allowed to happen, in which case would you risk your life and use it? This is because of the shift to using only cameras. Waymo uses LIDAR as well, right?

WSJ made a great video about autopilot crashes recently: https://youtu.be/mPUGh0qAqWA?si=XGqmls9cRnv56_5M

The main point there is that if the car encounters something on the road that it has not been trained on, it has no way of telling whether that thing is solid or not. And it will collide without braking. A LIDAR would immediately tell it that there’s something there. It would be the computers way of “touching” and using that data to interpret what it is seeing.

If I remember right, Elon’s argument for visual-only system was that people can navigate the world with only visual information just fine, so it should be possible. However, he’s ignoring the fact that ever since babies we have also relied on other senses, namely touch, to identify what has substance and what doesn’t. And that has “trained” our minds to assess whether a thing we see has substance. A purely camera-based system has no way of telling, unless someone has programmed that into it or it has been part of the training data and classified as such.

I have a M3 Highland and its camera-based system already gets confused by e.g. strong lights, reflections, and shadows in our parking garage. It regularly thinks there’s a solid object in front of it where none exists. When you’re the one driving these drawbacks don’t matter, but there is no room for errors when talking about fully autonomous driving, and trusting your life to it.

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Gianni Giacomelli's avatar

The issues of governance / control, and capabilities are inextricably linked. The more nuanced and capable these machines are the more humans will trust them with complex reasoning, including governance reasoning. The reality is that our current human-based governance infrastructure is obsolete, designed before information technology became what it is now. I continue to believe that the future is in the building of governance and processes where the native interplay of N humans and N machines is intentional. And humans, individually, but even more importantly, networks, focus on the why and the what, while machines provide most of the how. These roles are not mutually exclusive - we badly need machines to help us with the why and the what.

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